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Matsuyama: In terms of correcting long working hours, even if you shorten the working hours at the company, the amount of work will not change, so the remaining work will be taken home. This is solved from the fundamental part. In order to do that, I think we should first focus on reducing the amount of work. "

Morisawa: "It's true. One of the causes of long working hours, which is often found in Japanese-style employment, is that the content of work becomes ambiguous due to batch hiring. Recently, many companies are hiring to improve this. You're reviewing the form. "

Kai: Changing something that is closely related to life, called'labor', is frightening, and the results may not be reflected immediately, but given the long-term development, it is courageous to proceed with reforms. I think it is necessary. The SDGs and gender issues have changed rapidly in recent years, and there must have been many situations in which there was no choice but to change due to the corona disaster. I think it's best to change it now. "

Morisawa "Speaking of corona sickness, there was a drawback that it was difficult to understand the progress of work due to the recent increase in telework. Clarifying what to do not only improves efficiency but also visualizes and grasps the work. It will also be necessary in terms of. "

Matsuyama "Equal pay for equal work is an innovative new employment form for Japan, where the influence of seniority remains strong. I think it will improve the response to non-regular employees."

Kai: I think that few people think that work style reform is "to work more efficiently" rather than "to work comfortably and improve the working environment". I think it's a big problem that we haven't made progress yet from the phase before considering efficiency. "